Sarita (00:00.96)
Hello and welcome back to another episode of Back to Here with Sarita. I'm so happy that you're here with me today. I have a wonderful guest. This is my abundance chat series. And if you remember, this year's theme is all about abundance. And the reason I chose that is because when you add up two zero, two four, it equates eight, which is the symbol or the number of abundance, infinity. So.
So excited to have this amazing guest. Let me go ahead and introduce you to her and then we'll jump in to our interview. So my guest today is Amy. Amy Jam is a multifaceted force, blending technical prowess and entrepreneurial spirit and is passionate by empowering others. And as a software engineer and visionary director of program management, Amy has left in
incredible mark on the public and private sectors. Amy's ambitious nature extends far beyond the confines of her technical career, and she is the co -founder of Bread Bros, a beloved bread manufacturing and bakery in Los Angeles, and she's demonstrated her knack for entrepreneurship and commitment to building vibrant communities. Amy is a guiding light for aspiring leaders and innovators seeking to navigate the complexities.
of the modern world and she's also an immigrant and she has an amazing immigrant story, so I hope she shares that with us. And she heavily implements her own self -care and love care practices that actually allow her to receive the abundance that she so deserves. Amy, so much, thank you so much for being here today. I'm sorry, my tongue is like, I'm normally not stumbling over my words like this, very unusual for me, so sorry about the very, the uneven introduction.
Amy Jam (01:52.919)
I'm not even worried.
Amy Jam (01:57.527)
No, not at all. Thank you for having me, Sarita. I'm so excited to be here.
Sarita (02:01.984)
Yes, I am excited for you too. And Amy and I, just a little background here, just like a previous guest that I had is also connected through the modern day wife, which is pretty exciting. So we got connected that way. We have not met in person yet, but hopefully that will happen soon. But it's a really cool network of individuals that come together and it's amazing that I've actually been able to connect with some amazing women through that.
particular platform, so I'm so grateful that I've been led to various soul aligned guests. So yes, I am so happy for you to be here as well.
Amy Jam (02:41.079)
Thank you, yeah, I love your topics and I think, you know, when we first connected, the main thing that stuck out for me was really understanding that, okay, we have this in common, this foundation of building your force of strength through your inner being. And that is the most important thing in any endeavor.
And I think we all just always jump and get started and want to figure out Google, like, all right, you know, what are the statistics on this type of business and how much return will I get or what, you know, how can I plan my life? But without taking that time, you know, to really find it within yourself, all of that is really risky. So.
That I just wanted to add is what I was really drawn to use to your podcast, Sarita, and your content. And so, yeah, thank you for carving out this time for us today.
Sarita (03:41.568)
thank you for acknowledging that. You're so right. And that's something, and I'm sure you can shed some light on this a little bit later in talking together when we jump into this whole entrepreneurial endeavors journey. I feel like, and I feel like this is too, and this is coming from a very corporate background. It's a lot about strategy and numbers and things like that. And although that's like so important, right? And so valid and so needed.
The part that I really love that is coming more to light in the business spaces is this deep need, yes, for care of self and inner self and finding the wisdom within self. And that's really the inspiration behind the podcast. I'm so happy that you recognize that. Back to here is about coming back to this center place, back to the self, back to the...
inner wellness and inner wealth wellness, I guess you can say too. So yeah, it's very important to me and I appreciate that I'm exuding that and that was attractive to you.
Amy Jam (04:51.447)
Absolutely. Great.
Sarita (04:53.088)
Amazing. So Amy, you shared with me just to off the bat, and I love getting people's story and like kind of how they got to be here. You shared with me an amazing immigrant story. I've had other immigrants on my podcast before because I'm very, I like an eclectic group of people. And as I shared with you, and I've shared this with my guests before, I'm a unique immigrant in the way that I came to United States through adoption.
And I very much empathize and understand certain aspects of the immigrant story because I'm of the first here of my blood basically. But I would love for you to share with us, yes, how you got to be where you are because you've got an amazing bread company, which I would love for you to share more in detail about that. But also you've got the corporate background and also you've got the how you came here as well. So I would love to have people know like,
just off the bat, like that amazing story of coming to America.
Amy Jam (05:57.687)
Yeah, absolutely. So actually, I was born here. However, I immigrated because I was actually in my mom's stomach while my parents immigrated from Iran during the whole Islamic revolution. And my parents were extremely established in Iran, lived a beautiful life.
Sarita (06:04.)
okay.
Sarita (06:11.328)
Right, okay. That's right, okay.
Amy Jam (06:26.647)
very, you know, during the reign of the Shah, a very luxurious, comfortable, and secure, beautiful life. And when the revolution happened, that basically jeopardized that lifestyle and that, you know, safety for those who, you know, were or were not or whatever your opinions were at the time.
This was a whole new regime coming in. So my parents decided to leave and my mom was pregnant with me and they had closed down all of the airports because of the revolution. I mean, this was high intensity situation. And so they actually escaped the country via camel. My mom was pregnant with me on three days, you know, to travel to Pakistan.
Sarita (07:18.272)
Wow, that's so amazing.
Amy Jam (07:23.959)
and get their paperwork together and then to Spain and then ultimately to the US where I was born in Los Angeles, California. And, you know, a lot comes with that immigration to a new country. The minor things like language, but there's also, you know, culture. There's...
connections, there's your career, you know, what you did back home is not exactly what you would do here and figuring out your way and your way of supporting yourself and your new daughter. So I was exposed to a lot of grown -up things as, you know, a child and I wouldn't have it any other way. I think
If I wasn't, then I wouldn't be who I am today. And my parents had divorced and I grew up with my mom and basically she, I was her partner. So because my English was more, well, my English was good because I was learning in school, I would, for example, read all the letters that came in the mail. I would translate them and...
This is where, and I talk about this in my book a little bit, how I feel that really God for me plays a part because those skills that I picked up being seven years old, writing checks and translating letters and whatnot, actually came a part of means for me to generate an additional source of income later on.
So there's a reason for everything is what I'm saying. And so you just have to, when you clear out the distractions and you look within, you'll see that you have so many skills that you have developed organically in your life. And I was, you know, I think 22, 23 years old. And as my side hustle, you know, doing
Amy Jam (09:47.703)
far -seed English translations for doctors, hospitals, hearings, and generating that money coming in. That just goes back to my story of how I got here and how my mom relied on me for that. I was so grateful to have exposure to these types of documents and letters and all that.
the long -winded explanation, but that's how it got here.
Sarita (10:19.584)
I love that. I love that. I love that. And thank you for the clarification. I do now remember. And that's still an amazing immigrant story because that's so close to home, because it was your mother that went through such an extreme journey to come here. And that obviously has been a part of how you became who you are. And it's so true. I've talked with other first generation people that are my age. And...
That's been a very common experience for them as translation and being like that, just being put in that situation as a younger child where you've had to help your adult caretaker to navigate different parts of life. And so it creates this whole level of identity that can be very unique in the way that you're really good at taking care of things. And then also, I guess the shadow side of that is like,
Who am I and who am I my own identity? And so for you, how has that been a impactor on the things that you do? I mean, you were talking about doing the translating and things like that. And was it something that you figured out like this maybe isn't the right, like the path that I was wanting to take, like what kind of helped you to discover more of like who you are kind of?
breaking away from who maybe you were at that younger age.
Amy Jam (11:49.623)
Yeah, what a great question. You're so profound. Yeah, I know I love it. Okay, so I'll say this, you know, when I was about to go to college and figure out like what I wanted to do with my life career wise, I remember thinking, why do we just get one major? Like, I like to do a bunch of things. And I don't understand why I just have to pick one thing.
Sarita (11:52.384)
I love asking very deep questions.
Amy Jam (12:19.351)
But my mom gave me three options, doctor, lawyer, engineer, pick one. And I was like, which one will get me out of school the quickest? So I just picked engineering. And that goes back to being exposed to so many different things growing up and having a stake in all of them. So documentation, translation. My mom was in the beauty business. And
Sarita (12:26.496)
Yeah.
Amy Jam (12:48.727)
was like a super entrepreneur. So learning how to diversify your career, she did, she worked at a salon, she would draw in clients to her home from the salon, and she would also do mobile services. So she like took one niche and expanded, and I was like, hmm, you know, there's different, yeah. So different methodologies can be applied.
Sarita (13:11.424)
Love that.
Amy Jam (13:16.823)
but why do I have to just focus on one? But I finished school and I think that basically shed light on I don't need to just do one thing and doing multiple things not only satisfies the person that I've become, you know, checks the boxes, it also continually makes me have to learn more, you know, and that's what really...
like ignites the day to day when you learn more, because we're ever evolving, right? Like your hair color changes, your skin texture changes. So your mind needs to continually develop, it needs to continually grow. And the only way to do that is to learn and be exposed to new things. So by diversifying and having multiple, I would say multiple streams of income, really,
Sarita (13:52.736)
Yes.
Amy Jam (14:15.511)
I was able to satisfy that little girl that was exposed to all these different aspects of life and business. So that's what I took away. And that's what enabled me to be the software and systems engineer, be the technical writer, be the business analyst. I joke, I'm like, I've held every role within the software.
Sarita (14:41.248)
Lots of hats.
Amy Jam (14:42.199)
life cycle that finally led me, you know, to program management because I could, I basically did all the work every, all the people that are working for me now have done and I'm able to speak their language. So the fact that, okay, we've got the technical side, we've got the corporate side, but I have this fun side. I want to get this, you know, you know, my, my creative juices rolling and I love art and I love.
you know, branding and I love graphics and so what will allow me to do that? And this amazing bakery and bread manufacturing of our beloved Bread Bros. You know, idea came up and we just took a by the horns and went in. And so that sort of it's one business, but it has so many aspects to it. You know, we've got our e -commerce.
That's the technical side that stems back to my schooling. We've got the creative and the fun and the branding and the colors and the design of the pastries and you know, which hits all my like creative juices. And then the management side, you know, which is juggling and, you know, and creating your unique family, your work family, which I'm so grateful for. So, did I answer your question? I know I sort of drifted.
Sarita (16:08.)
You did, totally, totally. And I want to reflect on that. I'll get back to the bakery in a minute because I am a diehard bakery person. Like I love baked goods. That's like one of my favorite things of all times. And I'll share with you in a moment, but I want to go back and kind of reflect on what you were saying. And yes, you totally answered my question and it helped me kind of think about something, unpack something that I think is really interesting as women. Cause pretty much all my guests that I've had on this podcast are women and that's,
my pretty direct audience. But one of the things that I've been learning as I've gotten to this age and just been refining myself, especially since post my breakup and I've been into this very heavy self -love journey the last like three some years, is that just kind of reflecting on what you were saying about wearing so many different hats or being a multifaceted woman, right? And...
I think there's still this stigma and I'm thankful it's changing because it's 2024 and we're starting to understand that, especially when it comes to being a woman, that it doesn't need to look and be a certain way. And especially when you add like cultural heritage on top of that, I think there's definitely a stigma that...
we need to and it sounded like, you know, with your family, with your mother saying you have like three options of like what you're gonna be when you grow up, right? And of course, the intention behind that I'm sure is that she wanted you to be successful and not struggle and all the things, right? That's the understanding that I've come across and especially with my mother as well.
I was raised by a single mother and she was a teacher and she told me straight up, like, I don't want you to be a teacher. You won't make money being a teacher. You need to do something else, like anything else. And so when it comes to us kind of discovering ourselves as women, as we get to be older,
Sarita (18:12.896)
I think there's still this like stigma that we believe that we have to act and be a certain way. And a lot of it has come from our conditioning, from our family and like our caretakers and school and society and all the things. And so there's a certain level I feel like, and I'm kind of reflecting from my own personal experience where, and please let me know if you relate to this, is that there's a certain level of like almost guilt and like even like a little shame where you feel like,
Can I really do all these things? Am I allowed to do all these things? Am I allowed to be the creative? Am I allowed to be the project manager? Am I allowed to actually have fun and be flirtatious with colors and things like that? I feel like for me, I had a hard time discovering that aspect of myself and being okay that I didn't fit in one box. I think we're very socialized to fit in like, who are you and who you be, right?
And so when you're just like, yeah, it depends on the day. Like, who am I? Right? So I feel like it's been this undoing process. Does that relate to you at all? Ever since sort of learning certain things and this whole grown up experience is literally undoing everything that I've.
Amy Jam (19:14.167)
Yeah.
Amy Jam (19:31.255)
That is such a good point. I completely agree. You know, we're layered. I think us women, we are layered. Yeah, we're not just one dimensional. And, you know, going back to the career options, my dream, you know, because I loved creating, was always to be in fashion, to be a designer, believe it or not. But also, I had the layer of...
Sarita (19:38.816)
I love that word.
Amy Jam (19:59.959)
wanting to be respected in society and have a certain level of, okay, she has this level of intelligence, you know, so we can rely on her. Her opinion will matter to us because she has this degree or that degree or whatever. So I had that layer embedded in me too, most likely from a cultural, you know, impact and teachings throughout your life. But then I had...
this free spirit of not wanting to be at the mercy of corporate world and the paycheck and to be my own person and to sort of go against the norms. So you're absolutely right. I had all that, but the fear of the uncertainty with being a designer or going against the norms, you know,
fell to the back and the quote unquote security of following a corporate more structured path is what I ended up doing just out of that fear. Going back now, I realized that anytime you have fear making decisions for you, okay, you may accomplish what you set out to do.
but you're always going to have to rewind and find that true source of happiness for you and start over again. So you're kind of wasting your time, you know, because anything that your heart speaks to you, I believe that's God. For me, that's God. So if God told me when I was 16 that your passion is fashion and creativity, then if I would have implemented that back then,
there's no way I wouldn't reach some sort of success by this point in my life via what I always wanted to do. But it's that fear that grabs us by the neck and is like, you need to do this, otherwise this could happen. We forget that all the strength and all the connections and paths, they're all within us. They're not outside of us. The minute...
Amy Jam (22:25.623)
we clear out the clutter and clutter could be voices from, you know, friends, family members, social media, news, anything, you know, people, too many people around you. Clearing out the clutter makes you actually meet yourself and become closer to yourself is what I found. And by doing so, you realize...
everything is within you. Your mind, you are resourceful if you want it and you just align with your thoughts and you really manifest what you want. Like one practice that I do every night, you know, I think at night it's the easiest because during the day we're so distracted, you know, and have so many things to do. It's like when I'm lying in bed, I just close my eyes and I think about...
What's next for you, Amy? What is next? It could be short term next, like tomorrow, or it could be long term next, like in 10 years. But what is next for you? And I actually visualize it. I visualize it down to the outfit that I'm wearing. I think it's the fashion thing that's popping up. And it works. I'm telling you, it works. And so...
Sarita (23:44.96)
Love it.
Amy Jam (23:53.303)
I truly think that we need to embrace these layers. And even if we don't prioritize them properly from the get -go, we still have them within us. So we can always go back and always revamp and start again. And like with teaching, like with your mom's point, yes, teaching in the traditional way,
Unfortunately in this country has such a small income, but when you're a talented conveyor of information, there's so many different ways that you can generate income. And so if your passion is really teaching, you know, and this is something like I'm learning, like if I ever have kids down the road, like I'm not gonna say to them, don't do this, you won't make any money. No, find what you wanna do, figure out how you can.
extend your reach and make it more impactful so that you can have that be your source of truth and income. So yeah, just really appreciating and embracing those layers and not forgetting about them. So for me, my next thing is fashion. So I'm coming into this whirlwind of creativity and I'm like, this has embedded me. I'm not letting it go. And I'm
I'm going to start small but I'm going to start somewhere. So that's the plan.
Sarita (25:27.36)
I love it. That's such a great, beautiful response, Amy. Thank you so much. And such a wonderful way, unique way to look at it as layers. We are multifaceted layers of uniqueness. And you're so right. There's so many avenues in which we can utilize our uniqueness. It doesn't need to look like this one way. I think that's one of the most amazing things that I've been...
Amy Jam (25:31.607)
Thanks, bye.
Sarita (25:57.056)
learning not only about myself, but about this podcast and being an online digital entrepreneur and what do they call it? A influencer, you know, things like that is that it doesn't need to look the way that everybody else does it. In fact, that was probably one of the hardest lessons I did learn. And I've been in the spaces for quite some time for the last couple of years and realizing that I
without knowing that I was emulating a lot of what I saw without, just subconsciously without even realizing it, just taking on the way and learning my own way and learning what worked for me and learning how to approach things. So I really, really appreciate you saying that. That's so true. There's so many avenues in which we can utilize our unique layers.
Amy Jam (26:49.687)
Yeah, and did you find like when you got away from some of like the more popular and more cloned type of content, you know, structure, not content, but the structure that was out there and you came closer to your style and sharing that, it was a little scary at first, but then like, you know, then you were like, my goodness, like.
This is so organic and authentic and easy because it's just you, you know? And you don't have to compare it against something.
Sarita (27:27.872)
Yes. Yes, I agree. That's the less biggest lesson I've learned being on the being on social media, being out there, you know, all my like, not all my stuff, but most of my stuff's out there. I have this podcast, I've got my social media platforms. I've done coaching in the past. So yes, when I found my way, it was very fascinating how things really started lining up and aligning with me and
working in my favor. It's just so amazing. And talking about abundance, talk about alignment and abundance, that was just amazing how it all literally fell into place. It's really cool how that happens. Yeah.
Amy Jam (28:09.975)
It's like the more we recognize ourselves, the more the universe appreciates it and gives us more and more blessing. The more we steer away from ourselves and maybe are impacted by others' opinions, their style, their impact, you know, the less, the more we have to work, the more struggle, the more challenges. But when you just come back to you, you know, and just that quiet,
Sarita (28:19.136)
Yes.
Amy Jam (28:39.159)
Getting quiet and listening, that's your source. You are your source. If anything, I can sum it all up in is you are your source. That's why a lot of times, a lot of my friends will be in relationships and ask, well, don't you want...
Sarita (28:47.04)
Yes.
Amy Jam (29:05.943)
shouldn't your partner be like this and that or whatever? And I'm like, it's not even about your partner. It's all about you. Like I went to this conference and Dr. Edith Egger was talking and one thing she said that like knocked my socks off was like, would you want to be married to you? You know, or would you want to be dating you? And that just made me like...
paradigm shift and I was like, so maybe like I, when I get home from work, I would want like my partner to be in like this type of mode or like, you know, say these types of things and just shifting it around, you know, and that came back to myself, right? Everything comes back to you. Like even being a good partner in life to your significant other or your business partner.
or you're being a great daughter to your mom and dad, all comes back to you. And that was like, boom, for me, like mind blowing. I was always searching for things from other people. Like, this person is so successful and they can tell me what I need to do and what career I need to follow. Or this person is like,
you know, a spiritual gangster, you know, like I need to, you know, memorize all of these, you know, affirmations every day and instill it in my, okay, these are all great or whatever, you know, but then you have to quiet it out. You have to go back and just shed light on what this is because this that's been created, this serita is only one. There's no duplication and I don't think God makes any mistakes.
Sarita (30:35.52)
Yes.
Amy Jam (31:01.559)
you know, so what is in you, nobody has, but we just clutter it up with fog and all these distractions and we get away from who we are. But that's just like getting back to you again, if that's one thing I can reiterate is it, everything, everything in my life, you know, in terms of success, in terms of like monetary or spirituality, everything has, has
sort of had a ripple effect after I got quiet and just focused in and listened to really what's in my heart and translated it into actions for my life.
Sarita (31:47.072)
I love that. Yeah, that's the, I mean, those are like the manifestation steps that I talk about. It's all about the intention, the energy and desire really. Like it's all part of that process. So that's so beautiful. And it's the only way that can happen is by going inward and like trusting, literally trusting that aspect of who you are, you know, who you really truly are, not as like, you know, this outer human, but who you truly really are. So I love that.
Such a great little, those were great nuggets of wisdom. Thank you so much. I did wanna talk about, yes, your bread company, your bakery. And then also too, one of the things that you and I spoke about, and we've actually shed a lot of light on this, which I absolutely love unintentionally, but intentionally as well. But you were gonna talk a little bit more about being intentional prosperity. And I love how you've actually already been sharing about that, being intentional about who you are as a person, all the things that.
make you uniquely you. With your bread company or with your bakery, I'm going to come to LA and definitely try it because I absolutely love. I love bakeries. I'm such a fan of them. And I learned just a little side note. I've never shared this on the podcast, but it's something so kind of cute. But baking has been a therapy of mine for quite some time. I was doing it for a long time as a young child, and then I stopped doing it, and then I rediscovered it again.
Amy Jam (32:54.263)
Bye.
Sarita (33:15.52)
I would say in my like kind of early thirties, but the reason I got into baking is because I used to spend a lot of time with my grandparents and my grandmother would be in the kitchen constantly, very like traditional in the way of making the breakfast, making the lunch, making the dinner, like all the things, being in charge of the meals. And so when it got to be around like three o 'clock in the afternoon, three 30 in the afternoon, she started preparing and I would just come in after tennis practice and like come hang out, sit on the counter and just talk.
I'm a talker, and she was a Pisces, so she would just kind of mellow and just would listen, and I'd just be yapping, yapping away. And then one day, I think I was around eight years old, she was like, you know what? If you're gonna be in the kitchen, it would be really nice if you're gonna be productive in here. So I didn't really learn how to cook as a kid, but not that much later, she gave me a elementary 101 baking, and she was like, it would be great if you could make desserts.
So I started baking desserts for the family and that was my contribution to making things. But I just think it was funny that that's how I got started. And then it became a therapy for me, especially when I was living with a handful of people. It was like being in the kitchen on a Sunday afternoon. Baking was my therapy, listening to an audio book and just having blast doing, making whatever. So I love that you have a bakery. I love that. So.
What was the inspiration for that? I mean, you kind of shed a little light on it saying that it was like the creativity aspect, but share a little bit more about your bakery because I know I have people in Southern California that will like totally go and like support.
Amy Jam (34:54.327)
Yeah, thank you so much. I agree with all of that. Baking is very therapeutic for me too. I find specifically, you know, decorating cupcakes to be like the best therapist in the universe, just putting those little, yeah. So, yeah, you know, I've always loved things involved with homemaking. I'll say that I've been crafty. I remember being little and like,
Sarita (35:07.68)
I love it. It's so cute.
Amy Jam (35:23.383)
sewing up like little holes like in in our clothes if you know I saw one and taking that as an opportunity. I loved organizing. I loved cooking, baking, all of that and you know you're right it's culturally it brings you together. I think especially now in this world like everybody's on the run so eating in your car or you know but when you're cooking at home.
it adds a lot of value to your time together because your people understand that you put work into preparing what they're about to take in and it's all about what's inside, right? And so, yeah, so I've always wanted to do something in the food industry. I didn't know what. Actually, I met my husband in 2013 and his family was in the...
and is in the bread baking industry, but back on the East Coast. And he always had all these ideas. And I would always say, you know what? Yeah, there's so much we could do in terms of modifying this or, you know, because they were more than just like wholesale, like they had like a big factory and, you know, just pushed out large quantities of really delicious bread.
But we had ideas for how to expand and make it more mainstream. And I really wanted to implement a path to bring the community together. And we moved to California and we were like, okay, we need to figure out a way to...
find our little group, our little community, and how do we do that? And we actually love working together. Like I joke with my friends, I'm like, if you want to know if you have a winner in life, you know, a partner that's good for the long term, start a small business together and see how it goes. So, yeah, and we decided to do that and Opportunity presented itself for a great location.
Sarita (37:34.592)
I can only imagine. Wow.
Amy Jam (37:45.879)
And we were like, you know what, let's do it all. Let's make this business three dimensional, you know, going back to that, you know, my mom and what she embedded in me. So I was like, okay, we can do the manufacturing and wholesale to restaurants and grocers. We can have e -commerce so we can actually ship our products nationwide to people who don't have, you know, Middle Eastern or international bakeries nearby.
Sarita (37:56.288)
layered.
Amy Jam (38:14.679)
And then three, let's make a storefront where people can actually come every morning, you know, like in Iran and I think also in Europe, you know, in the mornings, people go and get fresh bread and then go home and share it with their family. And not only does it build a sense of community in our bakery, we meet our neighbors and people actually come from West Hollywood, you know, to Orange County to Recita where our bakery is. And just to get our fresh bread.
Sarita (38:26.56)
Yes.
Amy Jam (38:44.726)
and to see how we're doing. I mean, it's such a great connection and bonding and adds so much value for us, motivation -wise. It really gives us that boost of energy that we need to continually create and provide to our customers. So having these three aspects implemented, not only from a financial standpoint,
You know, we don't have all our eggs in one basket or our bread in one basket. We have them in three, you know, and also that allows us to listen to our customers and say, OK, we can actually branch out from these three because we receive awesome ideas from from folks, you know, hey, you know.
Sarita (39:17.792)
I love that.
of it.
Amy Jam (39:36.087)
you guys should open a branch here. And it's great that you can ship, but we should have a branch here. Well, that led us to our whole franchising idea. And it's little things like this, that organic growth. And so that's how we got to Bread Bros. And the name stems from my husband and him. He has brothers and being in the bread business. But if you'll notice,
one of the bros is winking in the logo and so that's me. I'm another bro for now. But no, I wouldn't have it any other way. So it's been just very satisfying and gratifying and I just love the community.
Sarita (40:10.912)
I love it.
Sarita (40:26.976)
I love that. That's so beautiful and so unique. I mean, you're the first person I've had on the podcast that has a storefront like that, an actual like bread shop and all the different multi like layers of that. That's so amazing. I can't wait to try it. Like I'm so excited. That sounds amazing. And that's so true. Like I just been thinking about how that doing, you know, food is such an amazing thing where it does really bring people together. I was visiting a friend.
just this past weekend for the holiday weekend for up in Long Beach. And, you know, we had the opportunity to go out to dinner and hang out and stuff. And I said, you know what, it would be even more fun. I said, if we could just get a recipe and get all the ingredients and cook together, I think that would be so much fun. So we made this amazing paella from scratch that was like so delicious. And we made sangria to go with it. So it was so cool. But it was like,
Amy Jam (41:21.399)
there.
Sarita (41:24.736)
We had lived together as roommates back in the day. So it was just kind of really reminiscing and like, it was fun catching up. And I was like, you know what? Like, I really love this. The beauty of being able to connect with people, like through food, through that avenue is so, so, so unique. And it can be something super simple as like, you know, cooking together in the kitchen. So I'm glad you brought that up. I remember that. And it's like dear to my heart in that way.
Amy Jam (41:52.183)
Amazing. You made me just get so hungry right now. My stomach was like, errr.
Sarita (41:55.104)
I know. I love pie. It's so delicious. It was like one of my favorite things. So let's just talk a little bit about the intentional prosperity again. We'll kind of circle back to that. And I know we were like talking about that this whole series is about abundance and you definitely brought that in. I think abundance can be viewed as many different ways, but I will ask you near the end, like what abundance means to you, but.
Just in the intentional prosperity way, because I know that was something you wanted to touch upon a little bit more, what is that to you in respect to the things that we've been kind of talking about around not only business, but being multi -layered and all the things? How is that so important to the journey of self -discovery?
Amy Jam (42:52.951)
Yeah, you know, it all ties back, I feel like. And the more we invest in finding our truth and our true self, I feel like gates after gates open up for you, not windows. Maybe if we don't, maybe if we settle in on the fear and we invest in the fear, maybe we'll get a crack of a window open here, a crack of a window there. But you know, you have to put all that aside and just...
Find what makes you happy within. So a lot of people will say, Amy, what's the first thing I should do? How can I, what should I invest in right now? Should I buy Bitcoin? Should I buy real estate? Should I? Should I? Should I? And the first thing I say, okay, what are you doing now? What does your infrastructure look like now? Your financial infrastructure look like now? And
I look at what they're doing, what they're having, their practices throughout the day. And my belief is that, okay, I could tell you to go invest in buying this property and fix it up and maybe sell it and you'll get $100 ,000, $200 ,000 profit, right? But if that effort is done,
against going toward yourself and against and in support of fear, I believe that that $200 ,000 you make, you'll get a bill in the mail for like $199 ,000, you know, and all your efforts will be gone. So it's not about chasing the money for me at all. It's about looking at what God has given you right now.
Are you taking care of it in a way that would benefit your heart and others? So, and if you're not, let's take what you already have and implement some changes. And that's what ignites the prosperity. That's what makes your, maybe you're profiting $20 ,000, you know, but you will get an opportunity. You will get an investor. Somebody,
Amy Jam (45:22.231)
will see what you're doing. You will get some sort of blessing that you would never imagine. How many times have we heard stories? I was working out of the basement of my house and I'm struggling. But you know, so many like rags to riches stories, right? And I know a lot of them are cliche. So I don't want to, you know, pinpoint that too much. But the point of those is that I guarantee you.
There was some good being done there for greater mankind, for yourself first, for your thought process, for your alignment with a higher power. That 20 ,000 will turn into 20 million if you do it with the intention of bringing grace, love, and really nurturing what has been given to you. Our bodies are a blessing. We are...
so complex and we have so many capabilities and all our sources, everything we need is within us because we have this, you know, this is the original, you know, Google and we really need to go back to it. So that's my thought process and prosperity is sort of the nucleus of everything you do.
Sarita (46:34.912)
I will do.
Amy Jam (46:49.271)
And you know, we've seen it all. People say it's karma. somebody becomes like a zillionaire and then like their whole life explodes and they have nothing. You know, I mean, just look at the news today. There's so many things going on. And I guarantee you there is a diversion from self that has a spiraling effect because getting away from yourself,
builds worry, you know? So you need to crush that worry with something else. And you get further and further away and more heavily and heavily invested in things that are not you. So it's like a chain reaction. Prosperity for me is a dependency for anything you want to do in life. And it could, it could, it's not even like monetary. Prosperity within your relationships, you know?
A lot of times in friendships I'll see people like their friend will not like something or and they will be vocal about it and let you know and they get offended and they're like no she didn't she did this she didn't like I did all this for her and yada yada yada you did it with the intention of her giving you or him or whoever gratification that goes to ego that doesn't go to the universe you know so be prosperity
be prosperous in your support as a friend, as a family member, as a confidant, as a business person. Invest in the love, not in the return. That's it.
Sarita (48:35.2)
Wow. Wow. That, I mean, everything you were saying just gave me super, super chills. Cause I was like, wow, yes. I was like nodding the whole time. For those of you that are watching this on YouTube, you'll see like I'm like rigorously nodding as I'm like hearing this. And when I got chills, I looked up at the clock and it was two, two, two. Like, Ooh, how amazing is that? It was so amazing. So cool. I love angel numbers. So it just reinforced in me like,
this is what I needed to hear and I'm hopeful this is what my audience, you listener, like need to hear is that all these things are, you know, it is about alignment. And I love what you were saying, how it's like there is a divergence, like, and it's reframing to what also came to mind is like this reframe where there's still this perception of people that are wealthy.
that are like tricksters or they're snobby or they're like, they hoard their money. And like these kind of beliefs that are, I feel like still more money, more problems, like all these kind of negative things around like money and abundance and things like that in our lives. But you clearly state how like with the intention, like coming back to yourself, being like aligned in like your mission and purpose in like,
what you're doing with for a greater good, right? Is going to bring you a level of prosperity and abundance that you never thought that you even could get. And it doesn't have to do with money. Money is like kind of like the little cherry on top, right? It's like, yay, like I got this, but it's not about that. That's not, that shouldn't be the ultimate vision and goal of, or the outcome, right? Like that's a beautiful,
layer of the outcome and a beautiful byproduct of what you are doing, which is being in alignment and coming from a place of intention. And I absolutely love how you said it. It was so beautifully said. So thank you so much for sharing that. I really feel like we could do another podcast episode just about that too. But we are...
Amy Jam (50:51.591)
Yeah. I'm so in. This has been so like reinforcing for me too, you know, to like hear it again and just, you know, make sure that I'm on my P's and Q's and implementing this too, you know. And I don't think it's by chance that we've got folks at that, you know, 1 % and less level that are, you know, so affluent.
Sarita (51:08.96)
Yes.
Amy Jam (51:19.671)
And it's not by chance that they all have foundations that they're giving, you know. Yes, there's taxes, you know, whatever. But the fact is that it's, like you said, money is not the fact. It's a means. It's a mechanism. And it's the transportation to being able to reach more and spread more love, you know, and these foundations and these charitable organizations and these talks.
Sarita (51:37.696)
tool.
Amy Jam (51:49.239)
that you do these podcasts that you are actually giving of yourself to help others. This is money. This is a currency. This is time. Time is the most... It's a currency that you cannot buy. So I totally thank you because it's been helpful and reinforcing for me too today. So...
Sarita (52:02.72)
It is precious. Yeah.
Sarita (52:15.232)
good. That's why I love doing these connection podcasts because it feeds my soul. I mean, it really does. It really feeds my soul and it just creates this like level abundance in myself that is is soul filling, right? Like it just it fills up my cup in a way that I don't think. I mean, there are plenty of other avenues I can fill up my cup, but it's just this very unique way and like filling up my cup. So.
I absolutely love sharing this time with my guests. So my final question, and it's one that I asked all my guests, is what does abundance mean to you? What does abundance mean to you, Amy? What is your translation of abundance off the cuff? What are you feeling called to share when it comes around abundance?
Amy Jam (53:05.271)
what a good question. For me, if I had to narrow it down to like a single word, abundance for me means peace.
So, no fear, you know? And so, abundance in just feeling whole, you know? And acknowledging all that's within you, all the abundance that's within you, and then turning it into tangible, you know, visual things in your life. So...
Yeah, I would turn it to peace and generating that peace from within.
Sarita (53:55.456)
Love it, love that response. There's no wrong answer ever. That's what I love getting that diverted. No, there's never any wrong answer. That's just like however anybody, however you feel like in words, like translating it. So really appreciate that. And that was a beautiful, beautiful response. Yeah, it does. And that's such a great way of looking at abundance as like this level of peace, peace and inner prosperity, right? That we've been talking about peace.
Amy Jam (54:00.279)
Yeah.
Sarita (54:24.256)
inner peace and inner prosperity. So thank you for that response. And Amy, it's been such a delight literally to connect with you. I knew that Amy did it interesting. So I have a process for my podcast to have people like guess and she went like off, you know, kind of off, you know, off.
Amy Jam (54:29.111)
Thank you for that question.
Sarita (54:47.552)
script, not script, but like kind of off the required like steps. And I was like, I like this woman. This is great. So I knew that I knew just by reading like the information and connecting with you and seeing what you're what you're up to. Like I knew that this this was meant to be that we're meant to connect this way. And I'm hopeful we can stay connected. Like this is just the beginning. That's what I love about these episodes is that it's like this is just the beginning of a connection, right? Like it's beautiful. And
I love that it puts out all this amazing energy, not only just between us and this episode, but the people that are listening to it and people that share it and all the things. So thank you so much.
Amy Jam (55:29.047)
100 % and there's a reason for everything. I know there's a reason that you and I met and it's just the beginning. So thank you so much. Sorry, I really appreciate it. And this has just been so great.
Sarita (55:41.216)
Awesome, thank you again. And thank you everyone again for listening to this episode. If you are listening to it, feel free to go over to YouTube and catch it at Sarita Wellness. It is Back to Here with Sarita. Thank you so much again. We will see you next time. And as always, keep being the amazing you that you are. Take care.
